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I always enjoy your ability to spark a debate, alegend, but claiming Will Dagger is a better player than Jake Trueman has got to be your best one yet. You're obviously frustrated about Trueman's lack of game time - we all are - but it's frustrating precisely because he's so good.
And I have to ask, as you seem to know, how much is Trueman on? And how much is Rodwell on?
Do not go out to get shot down all the time Just put down what I think As said.Truman was a very good player when he was young ,but because of injuries he is not the player he was and do not think he is worth the money he is on To me a marquee player is on top money and should show why, like the other two marquee player's we have got .Know player's get injured and I can accept this .But to bring in a marque player this season with the injury record he had was a bad call by the club ,when you think how much the same people have got right.A post earlier said ,I must live in cuckoo land because I said we signed Trueman on a 3 and a half year contract from Hull that i know to be true ,then we loaned him back .Fans at the time said it was a great bit of business but I thought we should have stayed well clear and at presents I am right Where do keep getting that Trueman was signed on a 3 and half year deal? He signed for us on August the 27th, but he was only brought over so we were in charge of his recuperation. He couldn't even potentially play for us, that's if we wanted him to until the end of the SL season on the 21st of September, which would have only been a game or 2, but we didn't use him. https://wakefieldtrinity.com/trueman-joins-wakefield-trinity/
Trueman still is a very good player, in fact, he's a better player than he was as an 18-year-old, with a better kicking and passing game, it's just that he keeps getting injured and there's a huge difference between being injury-prone and being passed it as you seem to suggest. Hull fans also didn't think he was a poor player either, they were just frustrated he couldn't stay on the field because they were a much better team when he was on.As I keep on saying why not wait till near the end of the season and see where he is, if he still has problems I think Powell and the team will already be having talks with Jake and we'd, unfortunately, have to move on but it's happened to plenty of players over the years and is the nature of the beast, some work out and others don't. Let me ask you this because it's very similar, do you think it was wise for us to sign TJ back? He was out with a bad injury when we signed him for 3 years and he also has a poor injury record & is older than Trueman. But that's turned out alright for us, hasn't it? Anyway, we're going around in circles here, you've got your mind made up and I'm not gonna change it. You are right we are going round in circles and I have had my say and will not say any more about T . As far as T J is concerned ,the last match he played for Catalan was again Cas and he got injured .It was already out that we had signed him on a 3 year deal ,so Catalan said it was not a bad injury and just put him out to dry ,and it was not till he came to the Club that our medical staff new the different and put the boot on ,think it was a fracture of a bone in the leg . True, we'd already signed TJ but It was known after the games that TJ had broken his fibula after that Cas game. He then had to have a plate put in to strengthen it, although not as long as an ACL it's a serious injury especially after what he'd already been through. www.catalansdragons.com/en/articles-9/286-11941-tom-johnstone-injury-update/ But it was more the point that up to that point, he'd had a catalogue of injuries over the years. ACL ruptures to his right knee, in 2017 and 2019, cost him almost two years of his career. Another knee surgery and numerous head knocks laid him low in 2021. Then a groin injury sidelined him for the final four months of the 2022 season. Like I said he was just as much of a risk as Trueman. |
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alegend:Shifty :alegend:Butcher:
I always enjoy your ability to spark a debate, alegend, but claiming Will Dagger is a better player than Jake Trueman has got to be your best one yet. You're obviously frustrated about Trueman's lack of game time - we all are - but it's frustrating precisely because he's so good.
And I have to ask, as you seem to know, how much is Trueman on? And how much is Rodwell on?
Do not go out to get shot down all the time Just put down what I think As said.Truman was a very good player when he was young ,but because of injuries he is not the player he was and do not think he is worth the money he is on To me a marquee player is on top money and should show why, like the other two marquee player's we have got .Know player's get injured and I can accept this .But to bring in a marque player this season with the injury record he had was a bad call by the club ,when you think how much the same people have got right.A post earlier said ,I must live in cuckoo land because I said we signed Trueman on a 3 and a half year contract from Hull that i know to be true ,then we loaned him back .Fans at the time said it was a great bit of business but I thought we should have stayed well clear and at presents I am right Where do keep getting that Trueman was signed on a 3 and half year deal? He signed for us on August the 27th, but he was only brought over so we were in charge of his recuperation. He couldn't even potentially play for us, that's if we wanted him to until the end of the SL season on the 21st of September, which would have only been a game or 2, but we didn't use him. https://wakefieldtrinity.com/trueman-joins-wakefield-trinity/
Trueman still is a very good player, in fact, he's a better player than he was as an 18-year-old, with a better kicking and passing game, it's just that he keeps getting injured and there's a huge difference between being injury-prone and being passed it as you seem to suggest. Hull fans also didn't think he was a poor player either, they were just frustrated he couldn't stay on the field because they were a much better team when he was on.As I keep on saying why not wait till near the end of the season and see where he is, if he still has problems I think Powell and the team will already be having talks with Jake and we'd, unfortunately, have to move on but it's happened to plenty of players over the years and is the nature of the beast, some work out and others don't. Let me ask you this because it's very similar, do you think it was wise for us to sign TJ back? He was out with a bad injury when we signed him for 3 years and he also has a poor injury record & is older than Trueman. But that's turned out alright for us, hasn't it? Anyway, we're going around in circles here, you've got your mind made up and I'm not gonna change it. You are right we are going round in circles and I have had my say and will not say any more about T . As far as T J is concerned ,the last match he played for Catalan was again Cas and he got injured .It was already out that we had signed him on a 3 year deal ,so Catalan said it was not a bad injury and just put him out to dry ,and it was not till he came to the Club that our medical staff new the different and put the boot on ,think it was a fracture of a bone in the leg . True, we'd already signed TJ but It was known after the games that TJ had broken his fibula after that Cas game. He then had to have a plate put in to strengthen it, although not as long as an ACL it's a serious injury especially after what he'd already been through. www.catalansdragons.com/en/articles-9/286-11941-tom-johnstone-injury-update/ But it was more the point that up to that point, he'd had a catalogue of injuries over the years. ACL ruptures to his right knee, in 2017 and 2019, cost him almost two years of his career. Another knee surgery and numerous head knocks laid him low in 2021. Then a groin injury sidelined him for the final four months of the 2022 season. Like I said he was just as much of a risk as Trueman. | |
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Shifty :alegend:Shifty :alegend:Butcher:
I always enjoy your ability to spark a debate, alegend, but claiming Will Dagger is a better player than Jake Trueman has got to be your best one yet. You're obviously frustrated about Trueman's lack of game time - we all are - but it's frustrating precisely because he's so good.
And I have to ask, as you seem to know, how much is Trueman on? And how much is Rodwell on?
Do not go out to get shot down all the time Just put down what I think As said.Truman was a very good player when he was young ,but because of injuries he is not the player he was and do not think he is worth the money he is on To me a marquee player is on top money and should show why, like the other two marquee player's we have got .Know player's get injured and I can accept this .But to bring in a marque player this season with the injury record he had was a bad call by the club ,when you think how much the same people have got right.A post earlier said ,I must live in cuckoo land because I said we signed Trueman on a 3 and a half year contract from Hull that i know to be true ,then we loaned him back .Fans at the time said it was a great bit of business but I thought we should have stayed well clear and at presents I am right Where do keep getting that Trueman was signed on a 3 and half year deal? He signed for us on August the 27th, but he was only brought over so we were in charge of his recuperation. He couldn't even potentially play for us, that's if we wanted him to until the end of the SL season on the 21st of September, which would have only been a game or 2, but we didn't use him. https://wakefieldtrinity.com/trueman-joins-wakefield-trinity/
Trueman still is a very good player, in fact, he's a better player than he was as an 18-year-old, with a better kicking and passing game, it's just that he keeps getting injured and there's a huge difference between being injury-prone and being passed it as you seem to suggest. Hull fans also didn't think he was a poor player either, they were just frustrated he couldn't stay on the field because they were a much better team when he was on.As I keep on saying why not wait till near the end of the season and see where he is, if he still has problems I think Powell and the team will already be having talks with Jake and we'd, unfortunately, have to move on but it's happened to plenty of players over the years and is the nature of the beast, some work out and others don't. Let me ask you this because it's very similar, do you think it was wise for us to sign TJ back? He was out with a bad injury when we signed him for 3 years and he also has a poor injury record & is older than Trueman. But that's turned out alright for us, hasn't it? Anyway, we're going around in circles here, you've got your mind made up and I'm not gonna change it. You are right we are going round in circles and I have had my say and will not say any more about T . As far as T J is concerned ,the last match he played for Catalan was again Cas and he got injured .It was already out that we had signed him on a 3 year deal ,so Catalan said it was not a bad injury and just put him out to dry ,and it was not till he came to the Club that our medical staff new the different and put the boot on ,think it was a fracture of a bone in the leg . True, we'd already signed TJ but It was known after the games that TJ had broken his fibula after that Cas game. He then had to have a plate put in to strengthen it, although not as long as an ACL it's a serious injury especially after what he'd already been through. www.catalansdragons.com/en/articles-9/286-11941-tom-johnstone-injury-update/ But it was more the point that up to that point, he'd had a catalogue of injuries over the years. ACL ruptures to his right knee, in 2017 and 2019, cost him almost two years of his career. Another knee surgery and numerous head knocks laid him low in 2021. Then a groin injury sidelined him for the final four months of the 2022 season. Like I said he was just as much of a risk as Trueman. Can see were you are coming from ,but we had seen the best of T J, Tupo ,Miller Big Dave just to name 4 players who played for the club and showed how good they were before they had bad injuries and the club stood by them and so they should .Same as any player who as given is best to any club before he gets a bad injury .Injury are part of the game |
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Shifty :alegend:Shifty :alegend:Butcher:
I always enjoy your ability to spark a debate, alegend, but claiming Will Dagger is a better player than Jake Trueman has got to be your best one yet. You're obviously frustrated about Trueman's lack of game time - we all are - but it's frustrating precisely because he's so good.
And I have to ask, as you seem to know, how much is Trueman on? And how much is Rodwell on?
Do not go out to get shot down all the time Just put down what I think As said.Truman was a very good player when he was young ,but because of injuries he is not the player he was and do not think he is worth the money he is on To me a marquee player is on top money and should show why, like the other two marquee player's we have got .Know player's get injured and I can accept this .But to bring in a marque player this season with the injury record he had was a bad call by the club ,when you think how much the same people have got right.A post earlier said ,I must live in cuckoo land because I said we signed Trueman on a 3 and a half year contract from Hull that i know to be true ,then we loaned him back .Fans at the time said it was a great bit of business but I thought we should have stayed well clear and at presents I am right Where do keep getting that Trueman was signed on a 3 and half year deal? He signed for us on August the 27th, but he was only brought over so we were in charge of his recuperation. He couldn't even potentially play for us, that's if we wanted him to until the end of the SL season on the 21st of September, which would have only been a game or 2, but we didn't use him. https://wakefieldtrinity.com/trueman-joins-wakefield-trinity/
Trueman still is a very good player, in fact, he's a better player than he was as an 18-year-old, with a better kicking and passing game, it's just that he keeps getting injured and there's a huge difference between being injury-prone and being passed it as you seem to suggest. Hull fans also didn't think he was a poor player either, they were just frustrated he couldn't stay on the field because they were a much better team when he was on.As I keep on saying why not wait till near the end of the season and see where he is, if he still has problems I think Powell and the team will already be having talks with Jake and we'd, unfortunately, have to move on but it's happened to plenty of players over the years and is the nature of the beast, some work out and others don't. Let me ask you this because it's very similar, do you think it was wise for us to sign TJ back? He was out with a bad injury when we signed him for 3 years and he also has a poor injury record & is older than Trueman. But that's turned out alright for us, hasn't it? Anyway, we're going around in circles here, you've got your mind made up and I'm not gonna change it. You are right we are going round in circles and I have had my say and will not say any more about T . As far as T J is concerned ,the last match he played for Catalan was again Cas and he got injured .It was already out that we had signed him on a 3 year deal ,so Catalan said it was not a bad injury and just put him out to dry ,and it was not till he came to the Club that our medical staff new the different and put the boot on ,think it was a fracture of a bone in the leg . True, we'd already signed TJ but It was known after the games that TJ had broken his fibula after that Cas game. He then had to have a plate put in to strengthen it, although not as long as an ACL it's a serious injury especially after what he'd already been through. www.catalansdragons.com/en/articles-9/286-11941-tom-johnstone-injury-update/ But it was more the point that up to that point, he'd had a catalogue of injuries over the years. ACL ruptures to his right knee, in 2017 and 2019, cost him almost two years of his career. Another knee surgery and numerous head knocks laid him low in 2021. Then a groin injury sidelined him for the final four months of the 2022 season. Like I said he was just as much of a risk as Trueman. Can see were you are coming from ,but we had seen the best of T J, Tupo ,Miller Big Dave just to name 4 players who played for the club and showed how good they were before they had bad injuries and the club stood by them and so they should .Same as any player who as given is best to any club before he gets a bad injury .Injury are part of the game | |
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alegend:Shifty :alegend:Shifty :alegend:Butcher:
I always enjoy your ability to spark a debate, alegend, but claiming Will Dagger is a better player than Jake Trueman has got to be your best one yet. You're obviously frustrated about Trueman's lack of game time - we all are - but it's frustrating precisely because he's so good.
And I have to ask, as you seem to know, how much is Trueman on? And how much is Rodwell on?
Do not go out to get shot down all the time Just put down what I think As said.Truman was a very good player when he was young ,but because of injuries he is not the player he was and do not think he is worth the money he is on To me a marquee player is on top money and should show why, like the other two marquee player's we have got .Know player's get injured and I can accept this .But to bring in a marque player this season with the injury record he had was a bad call by the club ,when you think how much the same people have got right.A post earlier said ,I must live in cuckoo land because I said we signed Trueman on a 3 and a half year contract from Hull that i know to be true ,then we loaned him back .Fans at the time said it was a great bit of business but I thought we should have stayed well clear and at presents I am right Where do keep getting that Trueman was signed on a 3 and half year deal? He signed for us on August the 27th, but he was only brought over so we were in charge of his recuperation. He couldn't even potentially play for us, that's if we wanted him to until the end of the SL season on the 21st of September, which would have only been a game or 2, but we didn't use him. https://wakefieldtrinity.com/trueman-joins-wakefield-trinity/
Trueman still is a very good player, in fact, he's a better player than he was as an 18-year-old, with a better kicking and passing game, it's just that he keeps getting injured and there's a huge difference between being injury-prone and being passed it as you seem to suggest. Hull fans also didn't think he was a poor player either, they were just frustrated he couldn't stay on the field because they were a much better team when he was on.As I keep on saying why not wait till near the end of the season and see where he is, if he still has problems I think Powell and the team will already be having talks with Jake and we'd, unfortunately, have to move on but it's happened to plenty of players over the years and is the nature of the beast, some work out and others don't. Let me ask you this because it's very similar, do you think it was wise for us to sign TJ back? He was out with a bad injury when we signed him for 3 years and he also has a poor injury record & is older than Trueman. But that's turned out alright for us, hasn't it? Anyway, we're going around in circles here, you've got your mind made up and I'm not gonna change it. You are right we are going round in circles and I have had my say and will not say any more about T . As far as T J is concerned ,the last match he played for Catalan was again Cas and he got injured .It was already out that we had signed him on a 3 year deal ,so Catalan said it was not a bad injury and just put him out to dry ,and it was not till he came to the Club that our medical staff new the different and put the boot on ,think it was a fracture of a bone in the leg . True, we'd already signed TJ but It was known after the games that TJ had broken his fibula after that Cas game. He then had to have a plate put in to strengthen it, although not as long as an ACL it's a serious injury especially after what he'd already been through. www.catalansdragons.com/en/articles-9/286-11941-tom-johnstone-injury-update/ But it was more the point that up to that point, he'd had a catalogue of injuries over the years. ACL ruptures to his right knee, in 2017 and 2019, cost him almost two years of his career. Another knee surgery and numerous head knocks laid him low in 2021. Then a groin injury sidelined him for the final four months of the 2022 season. Like I said he was just as much of a risk as Trueman. Can see were you are coming from ,but we had seen the best of T J, Tupo ,Miller Big Dave just to name 4 players who played for the club and showed how good they were before they had bad injuries and the club stood by them and so they should .Same as any player who as given is best to any club before he gets a bad injury .Injury are part of the game I guess in total fairness to Truey, we got exactly what we paid for. It's not his fault, because he knows his physical limitations, and I'm sure he is also pretty frustrated. He is simply a class player who plays 25% of the games. So in that regard we simply cannot be too harsh. Still doesn't make it any easier though when one week he plays like an Emperor then has 3-4 weeks off. Some saying "well look at Tupou and Fifita - we stood by them". Yes we did. but we didn't sign them as sicknotes, and even with Tommy coming back, he has played most of the 2 years for Catalans with his knees now better than before they went. He came back a smarter player and thats part of the reason he is now relatively injury free. Plus his body is so much more resilient. Truey is in such a pivotal position, and we have to constantly adjust for when he plays and when he doesn't play (unlike a prop, a winger or a centre, lets say), and moreso carrying Rourke on the bench for when Truey breaks is such a waste. I think the whole disruption to the team is the biggest frustration for me, and we all just want him to play, because it's so pretty to watch the sheer amount of time on the ball he has, and how relaxed we look as a team. I guess thats why some of the lads on FB lash out a little. |
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alegend:Shifty :alegend:Shifty :alegend:Butcher:
I always enjoy your ability to spark a debate, alegend, but claiming Will Dagger is a better player than Jake Trueman has got to be your best one yet. You're obviously frustrated about Trueman's lack of game time - we all are - but it's frustrating precisely because he's so good.
And I have to ask, as you seem to know, how much is Trueman on? And how much is Rodwell on?
Do not go out to get shot down all the time Just put down what I think As said.Truman was a very good player when he was young ,but because of injuries he is not the player he was and do not think he is worth the money he is on To me a marquee player is on top money and should show why, like the other two marquee player's we have got .Know player's get injured and I can accept this .But to bring in a marque player this season with the injury record he had was a bad call by the club ,when you think how much the same people have got right.A post earlier said ,I must live in cuckoo land because I said we signed Trueman on a 3 and a half year contract from Hull that i know to be true ,then we loaned him back .Fans at the time said it was a great bit of business but I thought we should have stayed well clear and at presents I am right Where do keep getting that Trueman was signed on a 3 and half year deal? He signed for us on August the 27th, but he was only brought over so we were in charge of his recuperation. He couldn't even potentially play for us, that's if we wanted him to until the end of the SL season on the 21st of September, which would have only been a game or 2, but we didn't use him. https://wakefieldtrinity.com/trueman-joins-wakefield-trinity/
Trueman still is a very good player, in fact, he's a better player than he was as an 18-year-old, with a better kicking and passing game, it's just that he keeps getting injured and there's a huge difference between being injury-prone and being passed it as you seem to suggest. Hull fans also didn't think he was a poor player either, they were just frustrated he couldn't stay on the field because they were a much better team when he was on.As I keep on saying why not wait till near the end of the season and see where he is, if he still has problems I think Powell and the team will already be having talks with Jake and we'd, unfortunately, have to move on but it's happened to plenty of players over the years and is the nature of the beast, some work out and others don't. Let me ask you this because it's very similar, do you think it was wise for us to sign TJ back? He was out with a bad injury when we signed him for 3 years and he also has a poor injury record & is older than Trueman. But that's turned out alright for us, hasn't it? Anyway, we're going around in circles here, you've got your mind made up and I'm not gonna change it. You are right we are going round in circles and I have had my say and will not say any more about T . As far as T J is concerned ,the last match he played for Catalan was again Cas and he got injured .It was already out that we had signed him on a 3 year deal ,so Catalan said it was not a bad injury and just put him out to dry ,and it was not till he came to the Club that our medical staff new the different and put the boot on ,think it was a fracture of a bone in the leg . True, we'd already signed TJ but It was known after the games that TJ had broken his fibula after that Cas game. He then had to have a plate put in to strengthen it, although not as long as an ACL it's a serious injury especially after what he'd already been through. www.catalansdragons.com/en/articles-9/286-11941-tom-johnstone-injury-update/ But it was more the point that up to that point, he'd had a catalogue of injuries over the years. ACL ruptures to his right knee, in 2017 and 2019, cost him almost two years of his career. Another knee surgery and numerous head knocks laid him low in 2021. Then a groin injury sidelined him for the final four months of the 2022 season. Like I said he was just as much of a risk as Trueman. Can see were you are coming from ,but we had seen the best of T J, Tupo ,Miller Big Dave just to name 4 players who played for the club and showed how good they were before they had bad injuries and the club stood by them and so they should .Same as any player who as given is best to any club before he gets a bad injury .Injury are part of the game I guess in total fairness to Truey, we got exactly what we paid for. It's not his fault, because he knows his physical limitations, and I'm sure he is also pretty frustrated. He is simply a class player who plays 25% of the games. So in that regard we simply cannot be too harsh. Still doesn't make it any easier though when one week he plays like an Emperor then has 3-4 weeks off. Some saying "well look at Tupou and Fifita - we stood by them". Yes we did. but we didn't sign them as sicknotes, and even with Tommy coming back, he has played most of the 2 years for Catalans with his knees now better than before they went. He came back a smarter player and thats part of the reason he is now relatively injury free. Plus his body is so much more resilient. Truey is in such a pivotal position, and we have to constantly adjust for when he plays and when he doesn't play (unlike a prop, a winger or a centre, lets say), and moreso carrying Rourke on the bench for when Truey breaks is such a waste. I think the whole disruption to the team is the biggest frustration for me, and we all just want him to play, because it's so pretty to watch the sheer amount of time on the ball he has, and how relaxed we look as a team. I guess thats why some of the lads on FB lash out a little. | |
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