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Crazy game. We are just full of mistakes and it?s killing us. When I saw the team sheet I thought we were just going to try blow them away through the middle and complete high. But I think this is the first time Powell got his selection completely wrong, and was disappointed not to hear him mention that in his presser after the game. He said he was disappointed to hear the fans booing at half time because the lads were trying, but I think most were booing his choices.
Cam Scott was obviously put on the wing to make yards in our own end - which he did to an extent - but there?s so much more wingers are trained to do. Defending kicks, holding shape out wide, and finishing obviously. Scott couldn?t do any of that. I was also really disappointed with his non-attempt to close Hoy down for their first try.
Then picking such a big bench gave us no option to rejig at half time. If he doesn?t play Walmsley next week it?ll be a show of stubbornness.
I also think Griffin was a bad pick. He carries well but he?s so lazy - often shirks his responsibilities as third man in the tackle, and he?s quite easy to get around these days. But with Nikotemo now out again it looks likely he?ll keep his place. I?d be tempted to out Croft back in, and Vagana obviously.
And of course we need a half. Lino prefers playing down that right channel, and we all but ignored our left edge in good ball, which included our three biggest strike weapons against two of the worst defenders in SL. Again, for me that?s poor coaching. I?d like to see Max back at 6, with Rourke at 1. Otherwise, I?d like to see Stevenson get a shot, if he is ready.
But there were positives. Uele was good again, Nikotemo too, and Faatili completely changed the game. It was relief more than anything.
Agree Griffin did not even attempt to tackle Hoy before he started on is run that lead to there first try ..Scott is a second row he is slow at turning ,and should be no were near the wing .The spine is a joke at present with Pitts at 6 There is no organisations ,only kicking is going through LIno When I saw the team I was shocked why there was no Walmsly or Rourke ..Though we would struggle but I was shocked by how much .As said a top 6 team would have blown us away big time Think the forwards are some of the best I have seen as a pack ,but the back division we had out last night would have struggled in the Championship . Totally agree, Scott is a SR in my opinion too. For me, he simply doesn?thave the athletic ability to be a top line centre, never mind a winger. He is far too slow. I previously had my doubts about Pratt, but that lad uses his size to his advantage, he?s obscenely strong, carries like a freight train and his athletic capabilities are on another planet to Scott. Hall so far for me simply isn?t playing at SL level. I just think all you can do is go through the team, how they?re playing individually in their respective positions and be honest if you?d think they would start in another top 6 team. Hull Kr Hull Fc Wigan St?s Wire Leigh. After last night performance, not many would in my opinion. We are aspiring to be a top 6 team consistently over the next few years. We?ve got our forward recruitment really good, but lack real quality in the 3/4 line and wing position.
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| Would you not say Dom Young is in front of him? Tom is certainly in contention.
All I'm saying is at that level there are fine margins that get you the spot and he'll do better if he can turn a break like that into a try. Hoy is a good player but he isn't getting within 50 players of a 1 spot in the team Tom will be playing against
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On another note also, McMeeken needs to tidy his discipline up. He?s currently the most penalised player in SL. I?m not for one doubting his qualities and standards which he has brought to us, but if I?m looking at that thinking ?well that?s giving us a lot of unwanted pressure? I?m pretty sure Wane will too especially against the Aussies.
Yeah, he does a bit. Saying that, I'd love to know the stats of how many minutes he's averaging a game and then comparing it against other middles, because I can't see anyone being close who plays Prop. Obviously, when he's played long minutes, penalties creep in, so it goes hand in hand with playing him all match or most of it. I know he's playing a bit less than he was, but still. It's why we need to give Faatili more game time, he seems to be up to speed now after gradually building up his minutes since he arrived. Otherwise Mike will be shagged half way through the season.
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Would you not say Dom Young is in front of him? Tom is certainly in contention.
All I'm saying is at that level there are fine margins that get you the spot and he'll do better if he can turn a break like that into a try. Hoy is a good player but he isn't getting within 50 players of a 1 spot in the team Tom will be playing against
I have no idea. I don?t watch NRL. But in the games Tom was fit for Tom he has been selected. There are fine margins but you not believe the fine margins such as chasing from opposite wing twice saving 4 points, retaining possession from drop outs are not plays worth of international level? I think they are. Those plays could be the difference to winning vs Australia as much as not passing which i still think watching it I?m not convinced we would have scored if he did. As for break the line or score try?s we saw it only last week vs Saints when he sent Pratt in with a cracking pass that he?s clearly got that in his locker to turn breaks into try?s. In fact it?s a rarity he fails to do so and maybe this was one of those times. In a tight game where Cas were well up for it though I think a few of them chasing back really was a top defensive effort from them. I don?t disagree with fine margins playing a part in being toe to toe with teams like Australia like you say but there were more than a few of those in this weeks game where Tom was involved in that he got right and they ultimately in the end did make the difference. I don?t know if he will get in. I hope he does as I will probably go to Wembley to watch but I won?t go if there?s no Trinity players playing. Pretty sure Mckmeeken will be a shoe in though. I?m not saying your wrong I just think there?s other moments that we are glossing over that mattered even more that are of international standard. Hey, at least we are in a position to talk about of a couple of players are in line for a starting shirt. How times have changed for the better.
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| You are saying the same as me about him, except if others are more consistent it will be noticed.
He is outstanding at recovering the ball at a drop out. Don't know whether Wane will use that tactic of course but it's invaluable to us.
I'm not criticising him as a player. He's one of our best.
But to be an International you need to pick up on those small things.
He's not alone. Ashton looks great but let Welsby out maneuver him to stop a try. They both need to pick up on those little things. It's the kind of thing Hall McGilivray and even Makinson did at their best. He has all the attributes, but needs to consistently do those small things.
Chasing back was one of the things that won us the game. But if Walmsley had been on that wing I'd have expected him to do the same. And I think he would.
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On another note also, McMeeken needs to tidy his discipline up. He?s currently the most penalised player in SL. I?m not for one doubting his qualities and standards which he has brought to us, but if I?m looking at that thinking ?well that?s giving us a lot of unwanted pressure? I?m pretty sure Wane will too especially against the Aussies.
Yeah, he does a bit. Saying that, I'd love to know the stats of how many minutes he's averaging a game and then comparing it against other middles, because I can't see anyone being close who plays Prop. Obviously, when he's played long minutes, penalties creep in, so it goes hand in hand with playing him all match or most of it. I know he's playing a bit less than he was, but still. It's why we need to give Faatili more game time, he seems to be up to speed now after gradually building up his minutes since he arrived. Otherwise Mike will be shagged half way through the season. Think he must be averaging 60/70 minutes a game surely, whilst playing 3/4 full games. As a modern Prop that?s immense. Think I?ve said it before but Faatili needs to be doing 2 20 minute spells to give Mcmeeken a rest, like you say he?ll end up Cooked big time.
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