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| Trojan Horse:Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo:imwakefieldtillidie:Trojan Horse:
After only 1 game it’s way too early for me to decide if Atoni is one we should keep beyond this season.
A few more performances like vs saints and some consistency at SL level would go a long way to convincing me though.
I'm the same with Atoni. Unfortunately he was poor last time he was in SL, he needs to show he's moved on from that. Give over. He started very tentatively but hit some good form or moved on as you say, once Fifita took him under his wing. No, I won’t give over. He was poor 2/3 of the season and improved the last 1/3 of the season. A season which we still finished rock bottom and got relegated. I want to see some consistent good performances from Atoni before I make my mind up about him. What exactly is wrong with that? He has a lot to prove at SL level especially after our last time here in 2023. I think the 'give over' was aimed at the bit before your post about, ' he was poor last time he was in SL'. As most agree once he got some backup in the middle he finished pretty strong in 2023. TBf To Atoni, like plenty of guys that arrive from down under, he started slowly and to add to that he was in a poor team, all over the place in structure, quality and confidence. When he got some extra help in the middle when Fifita arrived, we saw him get more & more confidence and he finished the last 10 games or so off well imo he showed he was a SL-quality player. I think he's improved since then, even taking into account the comp last year, under DP and the guys, he's got fitter, finds his front more, rather than milking every meter and cracks on and plays the ball quicker than when he first arrived. For me, it's just about injuries and keeping his form consistent, if he does that he's a quality Prop, who I haven't got many doubts about.
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| Well done Jay Pitts. A players reward for their high standard of play is to get a new contract with the team around them and that is what Jay Pitts as deservedly done. What i cannot understand alegend is that you see this as "underwhelming" Having been fortunate enough to watch his career unfold from when he first played for us up till present day, I can honestly say that he is playing the best form of his career. Like I wrote earlier if you play well enough you deserve to be rewarded for your endeavours, if other players want new contracts then they have to match JPs commitment.
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Well done Jay Pitts. A players reward for their high standard of play is to get a new contract with the team around them and that is what Jay Pitts as deservedly done. What i cannot understand alegend is that you see this as "underwhelming" Having been fortunate enough to watch his career unfold from when he first played for us up till present day, I can honestly say that he is playing the best form of his career. Like I wrote earlier if you play well enough you deserve to be rewarded for your endeavours, if other players want new contracts then they have to match JPs commitment.
Was just making the point ,we have got to no when to let old players go Pitts as done a great job, but there is a time when they move on ,and I am surprised if is a two year deal .he is 36 .One of the all time greats forwards from Wigan as called it a day and he is not as old, and Amour who was up with the best retired from St last year who is also younger ..Wigan seam to be going down the line of a young pack and it is doing them no arm
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Well done Jay Pitts. A players reward for their high standard of play is to get a new contract with the team around them and that is what Jay Pitts as deservedly done. What i cannot understand alegend is that you see this as "underwhelming" Having been fortunate enough to watch his career unfold from when he first played for us up till present day, I can honestly say that he is playing the best form of his career. Like I wrote earlier if you play well enough you deserve to be rewarded for your endeavours, if other players want new contracts then they have to match JPs commitment.
Was just making the point ,we have got to no when to let old players go Pitts as done a great job, but there is a time when they move on ,and I am surprised if is a two year deal .he is 36 .One of the all time greats forwards from Wigan as called it a day and he is not as old, and Amour who was up with the best retired from St last year who is also younger ..Wigan seam to be going down the line of a young pack and it is doing them no arm I agree with the point. I just think Pitts is an anomaly. I reckon we'll still have one of the youngest packs in the league.
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| PopTart:alegend:westgaterunner:
Well done Jay Pitts. A players reward for their high standard of play is to get a new contract with the team around them and that is what Jay Pitts as deservedly done. What i cannot understand alegend is that you see this as "underwhelming" Having been fortunate enough to watch his career unfold from when he first played for us up till present day, I can honestly say that he is playing the best form of his career. Like I wrote earlier if you play well enough you deserve to be rewarded for your endeavours, if other players want new contracts then they have to match JPs commitment.
Was just making the point ,we have got to no when to let old players go Pitts as done a great job, but there is a time when they move on ,and I am surprised if is a two year deal .he is 36 .One of the all time greats forwards from Wigan as called it a day and he is not as old, and Amour who was up with the best retired from St last year who is also younger ..Wigan seam to be going down the line of a young pack and it is doing them no arm I agree with the point. I just think Pitts is an anomaly. I reckon we'll still have one of the youngest packs in the league. Agree, he is, and we have. You can't just look at players' ages, and when they hit 33/34, it's time to think about moving them on. You've got to judge each player individually and assess them in the here and now, with an obvious eye on how long they will have left. I think someone like Pittsy is the kind of bloke who's gonna be completely honest with himself and the club with how much he's got left in the tank, how much is he still loving playing the game, and everyone can see the quality of RL he's playing, which imo is better than ever . Each player has been through their own career paths that can't affect how long they can play for, so there's no set rule for all, not nowadays, where players look after themselves better than what players did even 15 years ago when it comes to diet, training and medical care. Some guys start the game young and get a load of injuries as they mature before they settle down, but that usually catches up with them. Others say like Sam Burgess, just put their bodies through hell and have to stop playing. Everyone's just different, some injuries just become too much, some just fall out of love with the weekly grind and want to move on to their next phase in their lives, others just gradually get slower and lose that edge. Look at Ryan Hall, I thought his career was coming to an end after his NRL stint 5 years ago, but he's continued to play at a consistently good level since returning, and he's 37. Pitts, imo, reminds me of Steve Menzies, who played until he was 39. Like Steve, people would say this would be his last year, but his performances never dropped off, and he kept on going until he called it time at Catalans.
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